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doesnt matter anymore if you banked it or not as you can rebuy the set from a vendor at acherus.
i personally change my transmog depending on my mood so someday i might pick one of the two. probably green starting set though
Saturday, April 21, 2012
unholy or frost for arenas
hi i have been testing but cant seem to find what is better frost 2h frost duel wield or unholy for arenas or 1v1
its a preference thing. frost is for rbgs and arenas, and unholy is strictly arenas for the most part.
there is no clear cut better spec. depends on what playstyle you like and the comp youre running.
its a preference thing. frost is for rbgs and arenas, and unholy is strictly arenas for the most part.
there is no clear cut better spec. depends on what playstyle you like and the comp youre running.
Trinket Setup for Heroic Warmaster
I've got a slew of trinkets (no Pride though). Any ideas what's best? I end up tanking 4 of the 6 melee while the warrior runs around helping with soaks so do take that into consideration. :) Thanks
The jawbone of a saint. A priest blessing your computer wouldn't hurt. Re-roll a shield tank for optimum performance.
Oh, you mean for your character. Stam trinks I think. P2 hurts but it's not awful, problem is you can't absorb what's going to kill you. Then again I don't heal.
The jawbone of a saint. A priest blessing your computer wouldn't hurt. Re-roll a shield tank for optimum performance.
Oh, you mean for your character. Stam trinks I think. P2 hurts but it's not awful, problem is you can't absorb what's going to kill you. Then again I don't heal.
SPriest/UHDK/HPal
Hey everyone, a Shadow Priest joined my guild recently so we decided to try a Shadow Priest/Holy Pally/Unholy DK (me) Shadowcleave-ish set up in 3v3. We started off pretty shaky and ran a number of losses at first, but we finally got into a groove of sorts and started winning the majority of the matches by the end of the night.
I enjoyed the comp, and I was wondering if anyone else has any experience with this set up. If so, do you have any strategies/tactics/suggestions? As the Unholy DK, I tend to have the most success just jumping on the enemy healer and taking them out as quickly as possible (with the SPriest Mana Burning them when he can). Some comps make that very difficult - especially when they CC/Stun the Pally (and Unholy Frenzy is on CD OR UF is unable to break the CC/Stun/etc. in question) and focus the SPriest - and despite how much I love Death Grip and Chains of Ice, they aren't always enough to successfully peel off of him. Sometimes I get incapacitated while the enemy goes to town on the Priest and Pally. Maybe the Pally isn't using his Hands of ___ or other abilities enough?
We haven't had too many problems with comps like RLS, RMP, and RLP (losses to those comps tended to be the result of stupid mistakes on our part), our biggest problems seemed to be with TSG-style comps, as well as 2x Frost Mage/Healer comps. Should we try and keep the healer shut down while we work on the DPS, as opposed to trying to down the healer first? Should we start out on the DPS and hard swap to the healer? Do any UHDK/SPriest/HPally abilities "synergize" particularly well? Any and all ideas and suggestions would be much appreciated, thank you.
Side note: the Ruthless gear I have on in my armory right now isn't the gear I run Arenas with, it's just a back up set I use when I want to run Frost in Battlegrounds so I don't have to reforge all my Cata gear. Just wanted to explain that it's not my gear that's holding us back.
Don't know much about how specific comps work but I did some reading on it when I tried it once last season. UHDK/spriest/X is called unholyplay, btw, in case you wanted to read up on it yourself. From what I could see you're basically supposed to utilize grip to get as many fearbombs as possible. I tried it once last season, but not for very long because my priest kept getting owned and there was nothing I could do about it.
Bump, want to hear more about this myself.
I ran unholyplay to 2k and it was probably the most fun i had running anything in 3s ever.
It's very strong comp, and very rare to find. and it is definitely not easy to run.
When it comes down to it, you hardly ever go for the healer. as you move on higher in rating, they will start cc'ing both your priest and your pally, and you will end up being the kill target since you HAVE to connect to catch your target. Kiteable target = easy kill and no damage being put out by the one being kited.
So yes, you guys need to be on a dps for the most part. if their healer decides to be a hero and run in for cc, its a great time to do one of two things: grip into fearbomb, or grip into a hard switch.
and if you have not had trouble with RMP and RLS, then you havent faced the good ones yet. Good rmp's and rls's will target you and cc the crap out of your pally and priest. especially RLS since its a huge counter to unholyplay. for melee cleaves, TSG shouldnt be a huge problem considering you have bop from the paladin and you as the unholy dk putting out soooo much pressure.
So if you do face TSG, the dk is the kill target if hes frost. if hes unholy, kill the warrior. there have been countless times where my shadow priest demolished a warrior with a fully orbed mind blast with archangel combined with shadow word death. remember to grip when a warrior charges to give your priest time to run. you have freedom from the pally so your priest can run and the TSG has no offensive dispels whatsoever. im assuming you have tons of desecration on the ground so the warrior and dk cant move very well.
give the priest time to cast, use your cc chain...i normally did hoj, into priest silence, into grip fear bomb and that does it. strangulate is a last resort cc since it has such a long cooldown.
This comp is very strong, but it requires a lot of skill to run properly past 2k.
TL;DR -
just work down a dps, and cc the healer. your comp out lasts those melee cleaves, but it wont outlast a shadowplay or lock/sham team.
Thank you for all of your replies, especially you, Lolnecrospam.
Yeah, I guess some of the RMP/RLS teams we beat weren't the greatest and made some pretty stupid mistakes. When I face RLS (or most teams with a Lock, for that matter) I tend to skip the healer and go straight for the Lock, otherwise the match quickly turns into a nightmare. Same with Mages, depends on the comp.
We haven't had a chance to get more matches in yet since we were running DS last night, but hopefully we'll be at it again today - I'll be sure to let you guys know how it goes and what worked/what didn't work. Thanks again for the advice.
I enjoyed the comp, and I was wondering if anyone else has any experience with this set up. If so, do you have any strategies/tactics/suggestions? As the Unholy DK, I tend to have the most success just jumping on the enemy healer and taking them out as quickly as possible (with the SPriest Mana Burning them when he can). Some comps make that very difficult - especially when they CC/Stun the Pally (and Unholy Frenzy is on CD OR UF is unable to break the CC/Stun/etc. in question) and focus the SPriest - and despite how much I love Death Grip and Chains of Ice, they aren't always enough to successfully peel off of him. Sometimes I get incapacitated while the enemy goes to town on the Priest and Pally. Maybe the Pally isn't using his Hands of ___ or other abilities enough?
We haven't had too many problems with comps like RLS, RMP, and RLP (losses to those comps tended to be the result of stupid mistakes on our part), our biggest problems seemed to be with TSG-style comps, as well as 2x Frost Mage/Healer comps. Should we try and keep the healer shut down while we work on the DPS, as opposed to trying to down the healer first? Should we start out on the DPS and hard swap to the healer? Do any UHDK/SPriest/HPally abilities "synergize" particularly well? Any and all ideas and suggestions would be much appreciated, thank you.
Side note: the Ruthless gear I have on in my armory right now isn't the gear I run Arenas with, it's just a back up set I use when I want to run Frost in Battlegrounds so I don't have to reforge all my Cata gear. Just wanted to explain that it's not my gear that's holding us back.
Don't know much about how specific comps work but I did some reading on it when I tried it once last season. UHDK/spriest/X is called unholyplay, btw, in case you wanted to read up on it yourself. From what I could see you're basically supposed to utilize grip to get as many fearbombs as possible. I tried it once last season, but not for very long because my priest kept getting owned and there was nothing I could do about it.
Bump, want to hear more about this myself.
I ran unholyplay to 2k and it was probably the most fun i had running anything in 3s ever.
It's very strong comp, and very rare to find. and it is definitely not easy to run.
When it comes down to it, you hardly ever go for the healer. as you move on higher in rating, they will start cc'ing both your priest and your pally, and you will end up being the kill target since you HAVE to connect to catch your target. Kiteable target = easy kill and no damage being put out by the one being kited.
So yes, you guys need to be on a dps for the most part. if their healer decides to be a hero and run in for cc, its a great time to do one of two things: grip into fearbomb, or grip into a hard switch.
and if you have not had trouble with RMP and RLS, then you havent faced the good ones yet. Good rmp's and rls's will target you and cc the crap out of your pally and priest. especially RLS since its a huge counter to unholyplay. for melee cleaves, TSG shouldnt be a huge problem considering you have bop from the paladin and you as the unholy dk putting out soooo much pressure.
So if you do face TSG, the dk is the kill target if hes frost. if hes unholy, kill the warrior. there have been countless times where my shadow priest demolished a warrior with a fully orbed mind blast with archangel combined with shadow word death. remember to grip when a warrior charges to give your priest time to run. you have freedom from the pally so your priest can run and the TSG has no offensive dispels whatsoever. im assuming you have tons of desecration on the ground so the warrior and dk cant move very well.
give the priest time to cast, use your cc chain...i normally did hoj, into priest silence, into grip fear bomb and that does it. strangulate is a last resort cc since it has such a long cooldown.
This comp is very strong, but it requires a lot of skill to run properly past 2k.
TL;DR -
just work down a dps, and cc the healer. your comp out lasts those melee cleaves, but it wont outlast a shadowplay or lock/sham team.
Thank you for all of your replies, especially you, Lolnecrospam.
Yeah, I guess some of the RMP/RLS teams we beat weren't the greatest and made some pretty stupid mistakes. When I face RLS (or most teams with a Lock, for that matter) I tend to skip the healer and go straight for the Lock, otherwise the match quickly turns into a nightmare. Same with Mages, depends on the comp.
We haven't had a chance to get more matches in yet since we were running DS last night, but hopefully we'll be at it again today - I'll be sure to let you guys know how it goes and what worked/what didn't work. Thanks again for the advice.
Hows my setup
so im 2hd frost ive been using this setup for awhile and in random bgs i pull top dps and kbs but keep getting told to change my spec so i did no bladed armor and put those points on my virulence but i was dying alot quicker and didnt seem like there was a damage increase cause they cleanse them any way so is bladed armor worth it i like it i seem to last alot longer so i can do more damage and also my macro is hb ps the oblit x2 then fs x3 thats just a quick spam and my oblit does insane dmg at 83 ive got over 20k crits with it even against plate and i use necrotic alot the macro is just for a start attack grind so if you all wouldnt care check my talent tree and glyphs and let me know what you think im not worried about armor or that just my set up so ty and hopefully no trolls me or says im stupid
also when km procs i use fs most of the time unless there low on health or a non plate but i like my oblite it pulls the win for me most of the time
spec and glyphs are fine
also when km procs i use fs most of the time unless there low on health or a non plate but i like my oblite it pulls the win for me most of the time
spec and glyphs are fine
Critique me
Blood dk... How do I look so far?
JMO..but
Lose the dps shoulders
Enchant your:
bracers
cloak
head
shoulders
I would trade Glyph of Death Strike for Glyph of Death and Decay (unless you really need +dps for some reason)
and Glyph of Dark Succor for something useful like Glyph of Blood Boil or Glyph of Death Grip
I would also try to work Glyph of Blood Tap into a minor slot.
Continue running dungeons/LFR, there are some more upgrades you can obtain. If you need any help optimizing your character, askmrrobot is a nice website to assist you.
JMO..but
Lose the dps shoulders
Enchant your:
bracers
cloak
head
shoulders
I would trade Glyph of Death Strike for Glyph of Death and Decay (unless you really need +dps for some reason)
and Glyph of Dark Succor for something useful like Glyph of Blood Boil or Glyph of Death Grip
I would also try to work Glyph of Blood Tap into a minor slot.
Continue running dungeons/LFR, there are some more upgrades you can obtain. If you need any help optimizing your character, askmrrobot is a nice website to assist you.
Improved Frost Presence ???
Since Obliterate is so situational would it be more beneficial to take 2 points out of Annihilation and put them in Improved Frost Presence?
Thanks in advance
might as well take all of them out and remove the glyph and give up using oblit entirely if you are going to do that
Would it be viable? I haven't PVP'd enough or done any arena's yet. I've only read how situational Obliterate is but, to be honest I've used it maybe only a handful of times in BG's and I can't remember a time when it was crucial to me achieving a kill or anything substantial. On the other hand I've used it quite alot in PVE but, PVP is my goal.
Thanks
Well, Improved Frost Presence is just as, if not more, useless in most cases. All it's going to do is give you a few more points of Runic Power per ability, which will only really help you when kiting, since Frost doesn't have any issue generating Runic Power to begin with.
However! If you find that you do spend Runic Power rather rapidly, then it would be worth it (I suppose). Personally, Obliterate may be only effective in certain situations, but it's nice to make sure it's effective in those situations.
Alright thanks for your responses. I think I might try it out for a day or two.
Keep obliterate as 2hd frost, it is not as useless as it would seem (but still extremely situational)
As DW, however, I pick up improved frost pres because DW needs all the RP it can get, and completely avoids obliterate.
Even in PvP, Obliterate still has its uses. The massive spike of damage you can get off a killing machine proc can punch through that last little bit of HP. I usually drop about 3 necrotic strike on a target and once I'm sure they're not healing/casting I smack them upside the head with my juiced up Obliterate - tends to ruin most people.
Thanks in advance
Since Obliterate is so situational would it be more beneficial to take 2 points out of Annihilation and put them in Improved Frost Presence?
Thanks in advance
might as well take all of them out and remove the glyph and give up using oblit entirely if you are going to do that
Would it be viable? I haven't PVP'd enough or done any arena's yet. I've only read how situational Obliterate is but, to be honest I've used it maybe only a handful of times in BG's and I can't remember a time when it was crucial to me achieving a kill or anything substantial. On the other hand I've used it quite alot in PVE but, PVP is my goal.
Thanks
Well, Improved Frost Presence is just as, if not more, useless in most cases. All it's going to do is give you a few more points of Runic Power per ability, which will only really help you when kiting, since Frost doesn't have any issue generating Runic Power to begin with.
However! If you find that you do spend Runic Power rather rapidly, then it would be worth it (I suppose). Personally, Obliterate may be only effective in certain situations, but it's nice to make sure it's effective in those situations.
Alright thanks for your responses. I think I might try it out for a day or two.
Keep obliterate as 2hd frost, it is not as useless as it would seem (but still extremely situational)
As DW, however, I pick up improved frost pres because DW needs all the RP it can get, and completely avoids obliterate.
Even in PvP, Obliterate still has its uses. The massive spike of damage you can get off a killing machine proc can punch through that last little bit of HP. I usually drop about 3 necrotic strike on a target and once I'm sure they're not healing/casting I smack them upside the head with my juiced up Obliterate - tends to ruin most people.
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